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	<title>Comments on: Poorly Dressed Men and the Women Who Tolerate Them</title>
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		<title>By: monacopoloclub</title>
		<link>http://restaurantrefugee.com/2008/07/30/poorly-dressed-men-and-the-women-that-tolerate-them/#comment-6178</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[monacopoloclub]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Oct 2010 06:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agreed.  Men nowadays are just plain lazy.  They&#039;re not deep thinkers that want a woman to look to them inwardly.  They&#039;re just slobs.  Period!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed.  Men nowadays are just plain lazy.  They&#8217;re not deep thinkers that want a woman to look to them inwardly.  They&#8217;re just slobs.  Period!</p>
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		<title>By: Allen Shelton</title>
		<link>http://restaurantrefugee.com/2008/07/30/poorly-dressed-men-and-the-women-that-tolerate-them/#comment-6176</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Allen Shelton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Oct 2010 06:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I live in South Texas.  San Antonio to be exact.  I am a transplant and it&#039;s obvious when one sees my wardrobe.  I am always impeccably dressed...even casually.  Whenever I take a lady to dinner, I&#039;m always appropriately attired with at LEAST a sport coat and pochette.  As you stated in the article, women don&#039;t seem to make much of a big deal about proper attire.  While at these restaurants, which are pretty pricey, I see men in cargo shorts, flip flops and, yes, T SHIRTS!  How can this be?  I remember a time, not too long ago (I&#039;m 41) when a man couldn&#039;t enter a fine dining establishment without at least a sport coat. If they didn&#039;t have one, one was provided whether it fit them or not.  Men have lost ALL sense of fashion and self-worth.  I&#039;m and old soul, it seems.  Grooming as well has all but disappeared from a man&#039;s daily regimen.  Most men I see here look like cave men.  NO exaggeration.  Yet, they always manage to get a pretty girl on their arm.  Hell, look at Hollywood.  Rachel McAdams, one of the prettiest women out there, is hooked up with Ryan Gosling who, on most all occasions, looks like he crawled out of a dumpster after sleeping in his clothes for a week.  Unkempt, wrinkled and unshaven for weeks.  Wow.  What a tragedy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in South Texas.  San Antonio to be exact.  I am a transplant and it&#8217;s obvious when one sees my wardrobe.  I am always impeccably dressed&#8230;even casually.  Whenever I take a lady to dinner, I&#8217;m always appropriately attired with at LEAST a sport coat and pochette.  As you stated in the article, women don&#8217;t seem to make much of a big deal about proper attire.  While at these restaurants, which are pretty pricey, I see men in cargo shorts, flip flops and, yes, T SHIRTS!  How can this be?  I remember a time, not too long ago (I&#8217;m 41) when a man couldn&#8217;t enter a fine dining establishment without at least a sport coat. If they didn&#8217;t have one, one was provided whether it fit them or not.  Men have lost ALL sense of fashion and self-worth.  I&#8217;m and old soul, it seems.  Grooming as well has all but disappeared from a man&#8217;s daily regimen.  Most men I see here look like cave men.  NO exaggeration.  Yet, they always manage to get a pretty girl on their arm.  Hell, look at Hollywood.  Rachel McAdams, one of the prettiest women out there, is hooked up with Ryan Gosling who, on most all occasions, looks like he crawled out of a dumpster after sleeping in his clothes for a week.  Unkempt, wrinkled and unshaven for weeks.  Wow.  What a tragedy.</p>
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		<title>By: Evolving Backwards &#171; The Restaurant Refugee</title>
		<link>http://restaurantrefugee.com/2008/07/30/poorly-dressed-men-and-the-women-that-tolerate-them/#comment-3528</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Evolving Backwards &#171; The Restaurant Refugee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] date eventually posted.  He was attired by accident, a subject that I’ve never understood, and there was no apology offered.  He went to get their table and she asked for her check.  I [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] date eventually posted.  He was attired by accident, a subject that I’ve never understood, and there was no apology offered.  He went to get their table and she asked for her check.  I [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Pollock</title>
		<link>http://restaurantrefugee.com/2008/07/30/poorly-dressed-men-and-the-women-that-tolerate-them/#comment-2738</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ken Pollock]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 14:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I disagree that these men do not care about what they wear and have no interest in clothng. When 80-90% of the men in their 20s and 30s are all dressed in the same slovenly manner at a nice restaurant, even though at least 1/2 of their dates are nicely dressed, to me that means that they are copying each other. Their obnoxious look is &quot;in.&quot; It is just the same old herd instinct. 
It is interesting that their attire is filtering up, however. Almost all of the old geezers have abandoned the necktie in the last few years.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree that these men do not care about what they wear and have no interest in clothng. When 80-90% of the men in their 20s and 30s are all dressed in the same slovenly manner at a nice restaurant, even though at least 1/2 of their dates are nicely dressed, to me that means that they are copying each other. Their obnoxious look is &#8220;in.&#8221; It is just the same old herd instinct.<br />
It is interesting that their attire is filtering up, however. Almost all of the old geezers have abandoned the necktie in the last few years.</p>
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		<title>By: Gen Y is Irresponsible &#124; Joe Budde Jr.</title>
		<link>http://restaurantrefugee.com/2008/07/30/poorly-dressed-men-and-the-women-that-tolerate-them/#comment-2416</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gen Y is Irresponsible &#124; Joe Budde Jr.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] (No Grace Period), that doesn&#8217;t mean your coworker wants to be told that he comes to work in dress that is only appropriate for a picnic.  We really should be saying treat others as they want to be treated since relationships are about [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] (No Grace Period), that doesn&#8217;t mean your coworker wants to be told that he comes to work in dress that is only appropriate for a picnic.  We really should be saying treat others as they want to be treated since relationships are about [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ethan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ethan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 15:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I play guitar for a living and spend a good deal of time on a stage. You can&#039;t play rock n roll looking like a douchebag in linen trousers. I also feel it&#039;s important to play by your own rules, within the broad rules of etiquette. Some people lack the ability to think for themselves in the area of fashion, so they have no choice but to look like everyone else. Personally, I think if your pants ARE tailored, NOT khaki, and DONT have pockets you wouldn&#039;t use when not fishing or building a house, you&#039;re off to a wonderful start. 

Flip flops are wonderful, and in my opinion, can be worn on a casual daytime date (walking around town or hanging in the park) when already in an established relationship. However, wearing them to a dinner date, I&#039;ll agree, is simply disrespectful... unless of course, it&#039;s on the beach.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I play guitar for a living and spend a good deal of time on a stage. You can&#8217;t play rock n roll looking like a douchebag in linen trousers. I also feel it&#8217;s important to play by your own rules, within the broad rules of etiquette. Some people lack the ability to think for themselves in the area of fashion, so they have no choice but to look like everyone else. Personally, I think if your pants ARE tailored, NOT khaki, and DONT have pockets you wouldn&#8217;t use when not fishing or building a house, you&#8217;re off to a wonderful start. </p>
<p>Flip flops are wonderful, and in my opinion, can be worn on a casual daytime date (walking around town or hanging in the park) when already in an established relationship. However, wearing them to a dinner date, I&#8217;ll agree, is simply disrespectful&#8230; unless of course, it&#8217;s on the beach.</p>
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		<title>By: schmooz</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[schmooz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 21:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[wow andrew....and if you took your girlfriend out to a work function and she dressed poorly, would you still feel that angst against dressing appropriately?  
Dressing yourself as if you take pride in your appearance has NOTHING to do with money and EVERYTHING to do with showing respect for your partner.  I always work hard to make sure that I present myself in such a fashion that my partner is proud to have me on his arm.  I demand the same respect in return - even if he can only afford clothes frm Wal*Mart, I expect the ensemble to be clean, pressed and the colors coordinated appropriately.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow andrew&#8230;.and if you took your girlfriend out to a work function and she dressed poorly, would you still feel that angst against dressing appropriately?<br />
Dressing yourself as if you take pride in your appearance has NOTHING to do with money and EVERYTHING to do with showing respect for your partner.  I always work hard to make sure that I present myself in such a fashion that my partner is proud to have me on his arm.  I demand the same respect in return &#8211; even if he can only afford clothes frm Wal*Mart, I expect the ensemble to be clean, pressed and the colors coordinated appropriately.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 18:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am impressed by the total lack of explanation for why men dress the way they do (i.e. casually).  Most men regard &quot;dressing up&quot; as a method of insincerity, a subtrefuge.  Men who dress in what makes them comfortable (jeans and a T-shirt with athletic shoes) regard the guy in the I-know-the-name-of-the-designer suit as: simply using money to impress women.  A fancilly dressed man, to men, says one thing: &quot;I have money&quot; and/or &quot;I want to look like I have money&quot; and &quot;looking like I have money is my come on to women&quot;.  Men who dress in their shorts and a T shirt and flip flops are desiring to be valued for who they are.  They are convinced that women, if they were deep and honest, would look at the shape of the body inside the shorts and the T-shirt, and make a decision based on that. They regard women who will flock to a man with a dorky body but expensive clothing as craven, easily influenced, gold diggers.  They regard men who will dress that way as either gay or flagrantly trying to use money to get women.  In short, if a relationship is successful based on him wearing suits and fancy clothes, he is depressed or concerned that the relationship is, at core, shallow meaningless and based on wealth, rather than on love.  He wants a woman to love him for who he is, not how he dresses, and how he dresses is, to him, absolutely and totally superficial and meaningless.  He regards the hours-and-hours women spend on fashiong/outward appearance as superficial and meaningless.  That is why you have generations of men unwilling to do it.  They think its fluffy garbage.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am impressed by the total lack of explanation for why men dress the way they do (i.e. casually).  Most men regard &#8220;dressing up&#8221; as a method of insincerity, a subtrefuge.  Men who dress in what makes them comfortable (jeans and a T-shirt with athletic shoes) regard the guy in the I-know-the-name-of-the-designer suit as: simply using money to impress women.  A fancilly dressed man, to men, says one thing: &#8220;I have money&#8221; and/or &#8220;I want to look like I have money&#8221; and &#8220;looking like I have money is my come on to women&#8221;.  Men who dress in their shorts and a T shirt and flip flops are desiring to be valued for who they are.  They are convinced that women, if they were deep and honest, would look at the shape of the body inside the shorts and the T-shirt, and make a decision based on that. They regard women who will flock to a man with a dorky body but expensive clothing as craven, easily influenced, gold diggers.  They regard men who will dress that way as either gay or flagrantly trying to use money to get women.  In short, if a relationship is successful based on him wearing suits and fancy clothes, he is depressed or concerned that the relationship is, at core, shallow meaningless and based on wealth, rather than on love.  He wants a woman to love him for who he is, not how he dresses, and how he dresses is, to him, absolutely and totally superficial and meaningless.  He regards the hours-and-hours women spend on fashiong/outward appearance as superficial and meaningless.  That is why you have generations of men unwilling to do it.  They think its fluffy garbage.</p>
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		<title>By: Gil</title>
		<link>http://restaurantrefugee.com/2008/07/30/poorly-dressed-men-and-the-women-that-tolerate-them/#comment-298</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 14:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[RR refugee,

Thank you for higlighting this. Personally, I believe it is more of a sense of self respect and that of others than fashion here. It seems that society as a whole has relaxed it&#039;s standards of what is acceptable and what is not. At the same time, I have and adhere to my own strict standards of public dress, and sometimes overdress. 

It&#039;s very aggravating to go to a nice restaurant or other public venue and see someone, be it male or female in poor or improper attire. It&#039;s as if the efforts of myself and the other patrons who indeed took the time to look presentable were in vain.

I will admit If I am going to the store for a gallon of milk, I will throw on a colored T shirt, jeans and flip flops, but will never wear these to do more &quot;formal&quot; errands. I also told my SO if she ever bought me shorts, I would return them :).

&lt;strong&gt;Gil, thank you for reading and for the compliment.  I am glad to know that there are more of &quot;us&quot; in the world than the &quot;thems&quot; think.&lt;/strong&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RR refugee,</p>
<p>Thank you for higlighting this. Personally, I believe it is more of a sense of self respect and that of others than fashion here. It seems that society as a whole has relaxed it&#8217;s standards of what is acceptable and what is not. At the same time, I have and adhere to my own strict standards of public dress, and sometimes overdress. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s very aggravating to go to a nice restaurant or other public venue and see someone, be it male or female in poor or improper attire. It&#8217;s as if the efforts of myself and the other patrons who indeed took the time to look presentable were in vain.</p>
<p>I will admit If I am going to the store for a gallon of milk, I will throw on a colored T shirt, jeans and flip flops, but will never wear these to do more &#8220;formal&#8221; errands. I also told my SO if she ever bought me shorts, I would return them <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
<p><strong>Gil, thank you for reading and for the compliment.  I am glad to know that there are more of &#8220;us&#8221; in the world than the &#8220;thems&#8221; think.</strong></p>
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		<title>By: KassyK</title>
		<link>http://restaurantrefugee.com/2008/07/30/poorly-dressed-men-and-the-women-that-tolerate-them/#comment-284</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[KassyK]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 22:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[PS--I do think the metrosexual look is just as bad...if not WORSE than the slob look on men.


Eek.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS&#8211;I do think the metrosexual look is just as bad&#8230;if not WORSE than the slob look on men.</p>
<p>Eek.</p>
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